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NBP Member Interview Series Featuring Terry Horst

Written by Rachel Nolte  • May 31, 2017



Editor’s Note: The Northside Business Partnership is an association comprised of Northside businesses, property owners, and organizations. It serves as an advocate group for the Northside, strengthening the vitality of the business community by connecting, engaging, and promoting its members. NBP is administrated by NEHDA.





Terry Horst is the Project Developer Partner for the Landscape Architectural firm of Maxian + Horst. Maxian + Horst has been a Northside Business Partnership member since 2014. Read on to discover more about the field of landscape architecture—it’s more than just gardens!


Maxian + Horst collage


Q: For those who are not familiar with the field of landscape architecture, could you give a brief synopsis of the field?

A: Okay, so landscape architects, we see ourselves as an architect of the site. So where an architect would design and build a building, we would design everything outside the building. We do, not just the landscaping part, but the beautification and using plants is an integral part of what we do. We also design the parking spaces and how vehicles and people move through the spaces, around those buildings or parks. We design recreation facilities, athletic fields, we’ve been doing a lot of the green infrastructure of projects in Syracuse under the Onondaga County save the rain program. So we’ve been involved in that and that’s been very exciting for us personally. So anything that’s associated with the site, a landscape architect can do.


Q: What first drew you to the field?

A: Oh, that’s a good question. I went to SUNY Morrisville and I majored in natural resources conservation. When I left there, I worked a little bit. But then I was looking through the SUNY ESF catalog because I was interested, a lot of my friends were there, and I saw landscape architecture, and I thought, well this is great! It mixes art and nature, which are two things that I’m very interested in. So I applied there, and I graduated with a BLA (Bachelor of Landscape Architecture) and I started working in Massachusetts, and became licensed in New York.  


Q: How did you come back to the area?

A: We were living in the Boston area for a little while, and there was an economic downturn. I’m from Syracuse, so it was a natural place for me to want to come back to, and I really like living here.


Q: Has this firm always been at this location?    

A: My partner, Allan Maxian, is partner in owning this building and I think they bought it in the late ‘80s. So this office, even before I became partner, it was Schuman + Maxian, was in this building from the late ‘80s til now. Then yes, they were in other offices downtown before they came here.


Q: Is there something about the Northside that lends itself to the Landscape Architecture field or is it more the area of Syracuse?

A: I want to say it’s more the area of Syracuse, because you’ll see that there’s LA firms scattered about. But what we like about this neighborhood is obviously this is a great building and the space is just really nice. It’s just always been a nice place to work.


Q: What about Syracuse draws the LAs?

 A: It’s probably having SUNY ESF right here in Syracuse. I think a lot of people stay or come back, so it just kind of lends itself to having a lot of landscape architects in it.


Q:  Does Maxian + Horst have any specialties or is it more general landscape architecture?

 A: It is general landscape architecture. We do a little bit of everything. A lot of our work is for architects, so we focus on the site when they’re doing the building. That lends itself to working with school districts and commercial property developments. We also do work for municipalities, like the City of Syracuse, we’ve done a lot of site work for the Parks Department in the development of a lot of their park facilities, athletic fields, and play grounds.


Q: Do you have any personal preference?

A: I do like working with the parks department. I think they’re just people that want to promote recreation. It’s a great concept and the work is always a lot of fun. I pretty much like everything that we do. I also like to do Green Infrastructure practices as well, just from the environmental aspect of it because using green infrastructure, taking care of storm water, is very environmental, so I like that as well. And of course, always landscaping, because that’s kind of what everyone thinks that we do—gardens—that’s certainly something else I like to do.


Q: Your website says that you have 26 years of experience in developing project packages. What sorts of changes are happening in the field?

 A: In terms of process, I started drawing everything on paper and drafting, so that was a huge change. It’s probably one of the biggest changes in the field, in architecture and in the design fields in general, was having to do that. I still do some things on paper and then it gets put into the computer, just because I was trained to think that way. So that’s a huge impact to the process. I think we still generate a lot of paper, so it hasn’t really saved on the paper aspect. But I think, using the computers and AutoCAD and SketchUp and a lot of the Photoshop programs have really helped the field. For us, the biggest way is just communicating our ideas.  A lot of people have a hard time looking at a plan view and knowing what it’s going to look like after it’s built. So if we can take that and generate something more in a 3-D image, I think people have a better feel for what that would look like. A lot of times, we would do these great designs and we’d build them, and then people would say, ‘That’s not really what I thought it would look like,’ because of that communication gap. It’s really filled that gap a bit so that’s a really positive thing.

Going to ESF, there was always that emphasis on the environment. But not everybody always grasps that. I think that things like green infrastructure, storm water control, and LEED buildings have led to more awareness of our earth and our environment. So I think that’s a really good change, very positive change.


Q:  If you could take on any space to design a park in, where would it be and why?

 A: I love the concept of taking vacant lots—and we were involved in some of that—and developing them into usable parks and spaces. Just because in Syracuse and a lot of the other cities like Cleveland and Troy, they have blocks and blocks of vacant property. Instead of saying, ‘Oh that’s so sad,’ you have to look at that and say, ‘That’s a great opportunity.’ I think being able to do that, use vacant lots to develop parks and other usable spaces, would be ideal for me. Just because it’s different. It’s not the big open space, because we’ve done that. Then you end up with these little pieces, and then, gee, can you start connecting them, and what does that look like?

We are actually working in collaboration with the Land Bank and SUNY ESF to develop some of these parks. It’s been a very interesting process because the students will run the community programs and just the ideas that are coming out of it are phenomenal.


To learn more about Maxian + Horst, visit their website.

Photo Friday: Rainy Day Reflections

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 26, 2017


A Blogger Searching for a Muse

Written by Joe Russo  • May 25, 2017

Editor’s Note:  Joe Russo is a “Nortsider”, a retired teacher, and an aspiring writer. We’ve asked him to share his stories of the past and offer his perspective on the present and future of our neighborhood. His posts will appear each month under the category, “Old Times on the Northside.”

Joe Childhood Collage

I became a Blogger during the summer of 2012. While attending my usual Friday night Salsa dance, a chance meeting with Emma Voigt led to a conversation about the Northside. Emma was working with Northside UP and arranged a meeting between Dominic Robinson, Stasya Erickson, Jonathan Link-Logan and others. They were all young, energetic and focused on making the Northside a vital and interesting neighborhood. Some of the stories I told that day became blogs published on the Northside UP website. Regular readers of my Blog may remember blogs titled “Community and the Farmers Market”, “Fastest Hands on the Northside” and “The Feast of the Seven Fishes”. I wrote the Blog monthly through the summer of 2015.

The circumstances changed that summer; Northside UP, energized by its success on the Northside and encouraged by CenterState CEO, tried to bring some of their wonderful ideas to other neighborhoods in Syracuse. They moved their office to a more central location downtown. As a writer I struggled. Not because Northside UP had moved or broadened its focus, but because I was questioning the relevancy of my writing.

Everything I wrote was about the past. More than anything it was about my childhood. I enjoyed reliving all those wonderful experiences and writing every blog. I began to think that the Northside I was writing about didn’t exist anymore. I wondered, what is life like today for an eight year old or a ten year old growing up on the Northside? Where do young people on the Northside go after school, for fun or just to hang out?

In my time we had the Northside CYO where one could find everything from checkers to woodshop. The Cozy Retreat was a fun soda fountain style hang out. Where does a teenager get a part-time, after school job today?

Writing my blog this time around I hope to answer some of these questions. I wonder if some of you reading this blog might have a suggestion. Is there someone out there you think I could talk to or an organization I might contact and get up to speed with the Northside youth of today? Please leave a comment on this post and I’ll reach out to you.

NBP Member Interview Series Featuring Thom Madonna

Written by Rachel Nolte  • May 24, 2017



Editor’s Note: The Northside Business Partnership is an association comprised of Northside businesses, property owners, and organizations. It serves as an advocate group for the Northside, strengthening the vitality of the business community by connecting, engaging, and promoting its members. NBP is administrated by NEHDA.


For more information, subscribe to the NBP newsletter by emailing business@nehda.org or visit the NEHDA website here.  





Thom is the general manager for Attilio’s, which is owned by Lou Santaro and Roy Sardo. Attilio’s has been a Northside Business Partnership member since 2013 and has been delighting customers with distinct Italian cuisine on the Northside since its opening in 2010.


Q: How long have you worked for Attilio’s? How did you get into this line of work?

A: Since we opened, March 9th, 2010. I started [in this line of business] when I was in high school . . . 36 years. Restaurants were always a part time gig, whether it be waiting tables or bartending or something of that nature. And then 9/11 happened, my dad died shortly after, and I thought “life is too short to do things that make you unhappy.” So, that’s when I got into the restaurant business full time. I was with Antonio’s at the time, full time with them. They closed down in 2009 and then I took a tour of Syracuse, at 8 different spots in 9 months. Nothing felt like home. Current owner asked me back, and here I’ve been.


Q: Has Attilio’s always been at this location? What do you like about being located on the Northside?

A: Yes. For one, we’re Italian and we’re in Little Italy. For two, this is a unique restaurant with a large history and a good following, regardless of new and old. As far as our banquet facility, it’s unique to Syracuse, I think. It’s one of the nicest, if not the nicest banquet facility . . . The banquet room is exclusively for private functions, so if you have a birthday, an anniversary, a wedding reception or rehearsal dinner, baptism—I do ‘em all. I do it from baptisms on up to funerals, and everything in between. I’ve seen kids take their first steps and done their rehearsal dinners. So, that’s how long I’ve been at this location, is 20 years. Some nice dinners, nice memories, and nice cocktails.


Q: Any dislikes?

A: Sometimes the neighborhood gets a little rowdy. But we try to make it work. That’s probably the only downside. I keep telling myself, when you think about Armory Square, for the first 10 years, I think Pastabillities was the only place there, otherwise it was rundown buildings and so on. So I keep telling myself it will be at least that to get off the ground.


Q: What dishes would you recommend to a first time Attilio’s diner?

A: Oh, there’s so many. My personal favorite is Veal Saltimbocca. Scallop and Shrimp Veneziana and Chicken Gabrielle are unique to our restaurant. Veal Saltimbocca has just been always a favorite dish of mine. A nice combination of meats and sauces and vegetables served over a bed of spinach, so you kinda get a healthy meal right there in one plate.


Attilio's collage


Q: Any favorite drinks?

A: When we first opened, we did the WinterFest every year and we won a bunch of awards for those, but they’re changing so often. We make good margaritas, manhattans, martinis, things like that. One of my personal favorite drinks is the Old Fashioned, a Southern Comfort Old Fashioned muddled.


Q: If you had to manage a restaurant other than Attilio’s, what kind of restaurant would you manage and why?

A: I don’t think I would. I have always been in this business. It’s in my blood. My grandparents owned restaurants. Skipped my mother’s generation, they didn’t want to have anything to do with it because as kids they had to do pots and pans. So it skipped them and I can’t get enough of it. So I know that I’ll always be in this business in some aspect.


Q: What’s the weirdest food you’ve ever had on the menu?

A: Us being an Italian restaurant, we at times throw in dishes with an Asian flair and people are always taken aback by that but they seem to love it. Like an Ahi tuna with a seaweed salad or something like that. There’s other dishes that are not Italian that we’ve done in specials and people absolutely eat them up and love them.


Q: Do you have any advice for people interested in getting into the restaurant business?  

A: Just give it your all. If you’re going to do something, do it with your heart, body, and soul. Don’t do it halfheartedly. It’s that simple in my mind. You either want to be in the business and you want to do a good job to make people happy and enjoy their experience every time, or you don’t. If you don’t, don’t get into it. It’s that simple.


To learn more about Attilio’s and see their tasty menu, visit their website.

Photo Friday: Urban Dwelling

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 19, 2017


Building Bridges for Economic Inclusion: Welcoming Economies Convening Comes to Syracuse

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 17, 2017

WE Convening


This October, CenterState CEO and the Welcoming Economies (WE) Global Network will host the 5th Annual Welcoming Economies Convening: Building Bridges for Economic Inclusion in Syracuse. This three-day conference “weaves together cutting edge policies, successful programs, innovative ideas, and a network of trailblazers in our emerging field of immigrant economic development.” While the schedule of events are still being developed, the Convening will feature a community tour, workshops, presentations and more. Individuals and organizations can register here under the Early-bird Special to receive a discount on the conference.

The WE Global Network is a program of Welcoming America in partnership with Global Detroit. Their mission is to “strengthen the work, maximize the impact, and sustain the efforts of local economic and community development initiatives across the region that welcome, retain, and empower immigrant communities as valued contributors to the region’s shared prosperity.” To learn more, visit the program’s website.

To get an idea about past Convenings hosted in different Rust Belt cities, check out these recaps from 2016 Philadelphia, 2015 Dayton, and 2014 Pittsburgh.



More AmeriCorps VISTA Positions on the Northside

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 15, 2017



Last week we outlined several AmeriCorps VISTA positions under the Community Prosperity Initiative (CPI) at CenterState CEO. But, there are a few other Northside organizations seeking VISTAs to serve in other capacities. Both the Syracuse Northeast Community Center and NEHDA are looking to for VISTAs.


The Syracuse Northeast Community Center (SNCC) is seeking a passionate, flexible person who is comfortable working with a diverse populations to serve as an AmeriCorps VISTA. The position is created in partnership with Syracuse University to help strengthen SNCC’s capacity as a community school partner. The VISTA’s projects may include: creating a series of events, and communication pieces between SNCC and Dr. Weeks Elementary School; researching, designing, and administering surveys to parents; working with Syracuse University professors, courses, and community engagement initiatives to design programming that will engage neighborhood families and teach healthy eating practices.

For more information, view SNCC’s recruitment flier and check out the job listing on the VISTA website. If you have any questions, please send them to Lexie at  (315) 472-6343 ext. 215 or lkwiek@snccsyr.org.


NEHDA currently has two VISTA positions open: one as part of CPI and another in partnership with the the Neighborhood Preservation Coalition of New York State (NPCNYS). This VISTA would serve with NEHDA and help develop and implement outreach campaigns, write grant proposals, and organize community meetings and events. NPCNYS encourages any person who is interested in community development, public health, and/or affordable housing to apply and gain skills that will “create positive change in historically underserved communities by empowering community-based organizations and residents.”

For more information, view NEHDA’s website or the full job listing on the VISTA website.


The AmeriCorps VISTA program includes a living allowance, an End of Service Education Award or Stipend, personal and medical leave, health benefits, child care assistance (if eligible) and a relocation travel allowance. To learn more about the AmeriCorps VISTA program, visit the VISTA Campus website.

Photo Friday: Spotted on Cawtaba Street

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 12, 2017

Through the fence

Gain Experience in Community Development: VISTA Opportunities with CenterState CEO

Written by Mary Beth Schwartzwalder  • May 10, 2017

VISTA positions

CenterSatte CEO‘s Economic Inclusion team is searching for individuals to fill five different AmeriCorps VISTA positions as part of the Community Prosperity Initiative,  a long-term vision to develop a diverse set of community revitalization strategies guided by organizations who share resources to collaboratively address collective challenges. Each VISTA will serve a unique partner organization while receiving further support from CenterState CEO. The sites that make up the initiative are Cooperative Federal Credit Union, Home HeadQuarters, Jubilee Homes of Syracuse, Inc., NEHDA, Inc., and CenterState CEO.

Cooperative Federal

Since 1983, Cooperative Federal Credit Union (Coop Fed) has been building a strong, fair, and inclusive local economy by investing over $120 million in homeownership, small business, and affordable consumer credit primarily in the urban, multicultural neighborhoods of Syracuse. The Coop Fed VISTA will assist in building program capacity and enhancing alignment with community-based development initiatives in workforce and small business development. The VISTA will also assist with strengthening and improving programs and systems in the credit union and lead key strategic planning initiatives. For more details about the position and how to apply, click here.

Home HeadQuarters

Home HeadQuarters (HHQ) meets the needs of underserved Central New York homeowners and potential homeowners by providing low-interest loans, homeownership education and counseling, and real estate services designed to make home ownership a reality. The HHQ VISTA will assist in measuring and documenting the organization’s impact, which includes providing support to the local Green and Healthy Homes Initiative, updating neighborhood plans and maps, and utilizing different tools to analyze neighborhood revitalization efforts. For more details about the position and how to apply, click here.

Jubilee Homes

Jubilee Homes of Syracuse, Inc. (JH) is a key organization in Syracuse’s Southwest community. JH is a catalyst for achieving the revitalization of the Southwest community, with efforts in neighborhood rehabilitation, community building and business development. The Jubilee Homes VISTA will support joint JH workforce and economic development programs by developing outreach materials, implementing recruitment channels, planning special events, and more. For more details about the position and how to apply, click here.


NEHDA facilitates community development that promotes strong and safe neighborhoods, thriving businesses and active civic engagement on the Northside, Syracuse’s historic melting pot. Since 2008, unprecedented public-private partnerships have led to over $250 million in neighborhood investment. New collaborations are moving forward today, catalyzing private development. The NEHDA VISTA will assist in fostering a stronger and more connected business and entrepreneurial environment by planning neighborhood beautification efforts, assisting the Northside Business Partnership, identifying opportunities where NEHDA can assist businesses and potential entrepreneurs, and more. For more details about the position and how to apply, click here.

CenterState CEO

CenterState CEO’s Economic Inclusion team is dedicated to creating thriving communities through increased prosperity for all Central New York residents. The CenterState CEO Economic Inclusion VISTA will assist in fostering a stronger and more connected environment by researching national trends in economic inclusion, helping with program development in ways that incorporate stakeholder feedback and processes that allow the work to be scaled and replicated, and more. For more details about the position and how to apply, click here.


The AmeriCorps VISTA program benefits include $973/month living allowance, an End of Service Education Award or Stipend, personal and medical leave, health benefits, and a relocation travel allowance. Those in the Community Prosperity Initiative will also gain access to community immersion experiences. To learn more about the AmeriCorps VISTA program, visit the VISTA Campus website.

NBP Member Interview Series Featuring Patrick Strodel and Rebecca Markus

Written by Rachel Nolte  • May 4, 2017

rachel_for-webEditor’s Note: The Northside Business Partnership is an association comprised of Northside businesses, property owners, and organizations. It serves as an advocate group for the Northside, strengthening the vitality of the business community by connecting, engaging, and promoting its members. NBP is administrated by NEHDA.


For more information, subscribe to the NBP newsletter by emailing business@nehda.org or visit the NEHDA website here.  



Lead Safe collage


Patrick Strodel is the president of Lead Safe LLC and Rebecca Markus is the owner. Lead Safe is a New York State Certified Woman-owned Business Enterprise (WBE) that is dedicated to professional lead testing and consulting. Lead Safe has been a Northside Business Partnership member since 2013. Read on to discover more about the link between poverty and child lead poisoning and easy ways for you to keep your family safe.

 Q: What are your positions with Lead Safe?

 Patrick: She’s the owner, and I’m the Operations Coordinator, which is kind of a catch all for whatever needs to be done.

 Q:  How did you come to work for Lead Safe?

 Patrick: I actually started this business back in 2000. Then we decided for professional reasons to change the ownership. It started out as a little Lead Safe DBA, you know, small business, and then we decided to make a Limited Liability Company, Lead Safe LLC, and we decided to have [Rebecca] be the sole member. It helps with a lot of different things, not including protecting assets.

Q: What kind of background do you need to have to go into this type of work?

 Patrick: Well, I started out in the mid ‘80s doing asbestos removal. At that time, it was a really thriving business where it was so new and everybody was sort of freaked out by asbestos that they’d almost throw money at the owners of these companies to get rid of it. I got the training and certification back then to do it. But I quickly realized that that business was not so nice, especially for the workers. You’re in the bowels of buildings, removing pipe insulation and whatever, and not the best work. So I switched from the company that I started with to a different company that did air monitoring and project monitoring and that company had a training school where basically their policy was you could take whatever training courses they had for free. So I just took whatever they had, and lead was one of them. Nobody at the time was really a specialist in lead, so I’m like, that’s perfect for me! At the time, compared to today, there was very little, very few programs in the country for dealing with lead, so I was like a pioneer to find out from the different sources what really needs to be done to control this thing. That’s how it kind of started. I learned to be a lead inspector, then ended up being a trainer.

 Q: Has Lead Safe always been located on the Northside?

 Patrick: We were on Burnet Ave. for a while—

Rebecca: —and then a couple of blocks down the road. We’re both from upstate New York. He grew up in Syracuse, I grew up in Utica.

Patrick: I’m a legacy Northsider though. My father’s family lived here and actually this building was previously the Altman building.

 Q: What about this location keeps the business here?

Rebecca: Well, right here, we’re lead central. This Syracuse area—actually, there’s pockets in New York—Syracuse is a big one, Buffalo is another one, Utica to a smaller extent just because it’s a smaller city, and then down near New York City.

Patrick: There’s clusters of amazingly high instances of childhood lead poisoning.

Rebecca: It’s primarily because the housing stock is so old. It’s been a while since I looked up the statistics, but as of a few years ago, about 75% of the housing stock was built before 1945. You go around here, you go within a one block radius and you’ll see chipping and peeling paint, and lead paint was great, it held up well to mold and moisture so they used it everywhere here. But now it’s deteriorating so it’s becoming a problem.

Patrick: We also see a disproportionately high incidence of childhood lead poisoning in inner city housing with minorities. That’s a couple reasons, she alluded to some of it. The housing stock, those places were built back when Syracuse was the grand city and they were beautiful homes, but they’re not maintained like they were. Also, the people that live there, and I’m painting with a wide brush here, but they’re living in poverty and consequently things like nutrition is not the same as it is elsewhere and so a child’s body that doesn’t have what it needs tends to absorb things like lead much more readily than if you had a full satisfied nutritional diet  . . . The problem is not just a child is sick for a while. It’s a lifetime ailment and the cost to that person and to society—if you take the humanity out of a lifetime of suffering, which of course we wouldn’t do—but if you just looked at it bold, brass, dollars and cents, a child that has this problem is reduced IQ. To the point where they probably won’t finish high school, or if they do, they’re in the very lower echelon of grades. There’s a relationship between the amount of education you have and the amount of income you’re able to generate.  A lot of the kids don’t graduate from high school, they have difficulty finding jobs, or they can’t even keep a job. They still need food and shelter, so where are they going to get that from? Criminal behavior. There’s a direct relationship between childhood lead poisoning and criminal behavior  . . . A significant number end up in the correctional system, and who pays for prison? Taking the humanity out of it and just looking at dollars and cents, this problem is massive and extremely expensive.


Lead Safe collage 2


Q: Do you have any advice for steps the average person can take to safeguard against lead in their homes, especially considering that many people on the Northside rent and live in older buildings?

Patrick: Because of the lack of information out there, the public thinks, oh well we banned it in 1978. Why are we still talking about it? And it’s because it’s still here!

Rebecca: There’s this disservice of saying, ‘oh well, I don’t eat paint chips. It’s not going to be an issue.’ And actually, usually that’s not the primary way that people are exposed to it. It’s usually a secondary thing. Kids have toys near the windows or on the floor, or there’s lead dust. It gets on their hands, and they go to grab something to eat, they’re not going to wash their hands first, so whatever’s on their hands goes right into their mouths. Or with little, little kids, 2 and younger, everything, hands go into the mouth. And that’s primarily how they’re exposed. It’s not the stereotypical picture of a kid by a wall eating those paint chips.

Patrick: Although some do. But the data shows that more than 90% get it from the dust.

Rebecca: Particularly right now with spring and hopefully we’ll get some warmer weather, people are starting to open up their windows. Good thing to do and particularly for older windows, get a wet paper towel. Wipe that window sill. Have it be a weekly thing. Wipe those windowsills so that paint chips can’t build up on them. Same with the window wells when you open up that window. Take a wet paper towel and wipe that window well, get out those paint chips, and throw it out. Probably the easiest thing you can do. Other things like using Swiffers to clean your floors. Again, you’ve got that wet towel that you’re putting on something like a Swiffer and you can throw it away and that way it’s out of the environment.

Patrick: The important thing is not to reuse it. The reason it’s paper towels and not a sponge is because you’re gonna discard it. Unless you’re going to throw out the sponge, you’re just moving the lead. The sponge will retain some of it. So like, either baby wipes or paper towels, something with moisture that you just wipe across, particularly the window sills and troughs, that’s the main sources. That actually would have a significant impact in the city if people regularly did that.

 Q: What is the importance of using a wet cleaning material?

 Patrick: Lead kind of clings. It’s almost like electrostatic. It likes to stick to the surface, so if you just wipe the surface with a dry towel, some will become airborne and you’ll just move it. It won’t be as effective as picking up the lead from the surface. Even better is to have a little soapy water that will break down that surface tension. But even if it’s just a wet cloth, will go a long way in cleaning up the dust. So definitely wet, not dry, and soapy is better. That’s why I say baby wipes.

 Q: What’s your favorite thing about your job?

 Patrick: Knowing that we make a difference, I think every day, with the children that live here. It’s kind of a weird idea, but we’re actually in business–

Patrick & Rebecca together: —to put ourselves out of business.

Rebecca: It’s a strange irony.

Patrick: I’m sure we could make a living doing something else. So if we actually ever ran out of lead hazards to identify or people to train—but the sad fact is, it’s so extensive, not just in Syracuse but all over the Northeast, and particularly in the Erie Canal cities. There’s so much of this housing stock. In our lifetime, we’re not going to run out of work. Unfortunately. But knowing every day when we’re doing our thing, we’re making a difference.

Rebecca: The ideal is for us to go in to do our job before a child is affected by it, have that lead treated, and have there be no issue. So it’s also kind of ironic because if we do our job well it means that nobody notices. If we don’t do our job well, then there’s going to be trouble down the line.


Learn more about Lead Safe and the services it offers on their website: www.leadtesting.net.